Quote from: Investor on December 08, 2017, 22:26:10

Disappointing how bad it performs in the gpu side. I thought it would at least catch up to a gtx 1050 laptop performance, but it's even below last gen 960m at gaming. How is any of this worth news? All of you who bought this got ripped off, 1050 laptop trumps over this period.

Did you seriously expect a 15W CPU+GPU to perform on par with a 40-50W GPU + 45W CPU?

Disappointing how bad it performs in the gpu side. I thought it would at least catch up to a gtx 1050 laptop performance, but it's even below last gen 960m at gaming. How is any of this worth news? All of you who bought this got ripped off, 1050 laptop trumps over this period.

you mention witcher3 ultra in your consumption: what are the (median and range) FPS on this game?

Please, please, test it with an SSD drive.

Take what SSD you want, but please don't make another review where the AMD system is handicapped by the storage system while all other competing Intel laptops have SSDs in them.

It will also make a difference in the battery tests.

We've already seen reviews with this HP x360 AMD Ryzen with the default HDD in it.

We're interested in what a SSD can do for it and ultimately for us.

The Envy maintenance manual lists the display at 220Nits. This is at the low end for laptops. Really low for a 2in1. The Swift 3 get knocks for dim glossy panels. The Lenovo 720s tend to have better panels, however they plan to release theirs with single channel DDR according to the early press release. How badly this will handicap the game performance? I hope someone will test the Ryzen Envy with and without dual channel memory.
See http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/dual-channel-memory-make-difference-integrated-video-performance/
I haven't seen any tests of the HDMI 2.0b on the Envy yet.
My wish is for a 13.3 inch with a 2700U, 300Nit panel, HDMI 2.0b and dual channel DDR4.

Quote from: icalic on November 26, 2017, 10:33:33
after i look cinebench i was sure hp using mXFR enabled or 25W TDP. look this score from amd https://images.anandtech.com/doci/11964/amd_ryzen_processor_with_radeon_graphics_press_deck-legal_final-page-018.jpg. unfortunately no intel 28W tdp 4 core today. maybe 10nm 15W will respond amd ryzen 2500/2700u soon.

Nope, the HP system runs the APU at 15W, this was clarified at launch. Of the three launch systems, only the Acer Swift 3 uses the 25W TDP-up (mXFR?) mode.

Quote from: AnandTech.comThe Swift 3 is a little different than the others – we were told that Acer has built this chassis to dissipate 25W of processor power rather than 15W, meaning that Acer is going to be taking advantage of longer turbo modes and better performance numbers than other Ryzen Mobile parts.

(link)

Of course, HP may be dumb enough to do this without advertising it, but that seems... odd. Especially on a budget notebook like this.

If mobile XFR works as advertised, it will of course boost as high as power and cooling allows, which might be more than exactly 15W, but there are no indications that this is running in 25W mode.

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after i look cinebench i was sure hp using mXFR enabled or 25W TDP. look this score from amd https://images.anandtech.com/doci/11964/amd_ryzen_processor_with_radeon_graphics_press_deck-legal_final-page-018.jpg. unfortunately no intel 28W tdp 4 core today. maybe 10nm 15W will respond amd ryzen 2500/2700u soon.

Quote from: Ural on November 25, 2017, 19:25:23
After paying with an Envy with  Ryzen 5 2500u I have the following comments:

The machine is alright. It works as advertise.  Though it has a few drawbacks:

- When running  tests, make sure it's plugged in, otherwise your will be surely disappointed with the results. Its night and day.

- The screen is not bright enough

- Battery could last longer

- AMD needs to provide better drivers for the Vega card, as is results on cpumonkey are disappointing, under 16% compared to others.  Though cinbench paints a diff picture.

- Make sure you enable virtualization mode in the BIOS of you plan on using VMWare.

-VMware Workstation 12.5 behaves as expected at 80% of the performance though it does not leverage the GPU.

So, just be aware, it's a nice laptop that is faster than most 7700hq and i7 8550u processors.  Though it falls behind with respect to the i5 8250u with an intel UHD 620.

If AMD can address the blue performance of Vega, through a driver.  Intel should begin to worry.

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that was purchased yesterday.  I'm a bit disappointed with the graphics performance.

This is totally incorrect. You are referencing CPUMonkey, which often estimates GPU performance rather than drawing from actual benchmark data or features grave errors in their system. In all the games tested so far, from Rocket League to Rise of the Tomb Raider, the Ryzen 5 2500U's Vega GPU absolutely slays the Intel UHD Graphics 620. The data proves otherwise.

When you say, " it's a nice laptop that is faster than most 7700hq and i7 8550u processors, " that makes no sense. It is well known that the 8250U is slower than its higher clocked 8550U. Yet you say, "Though it [the Ryzen 5 2500U] falls behind with respect to the i5 8250u with an intel UHD 620." How can the 2500U be faster than the 8550U but slower than the 8250U?

Even the 45 W 'dual-core' i5-7300HQ....

Sorry for the typos.

After paying with an Envy with  Ryzen 5 2500u I have the following comments:

The machine is alright. It works as advertise.  Though it has a few drawbacks:

- When running  tests, make sure it's plugged in, otherwise your will be surely disappointed with the results. Its night and day.

- The screen is not bright enough

- Battery could last longer

- AMD needs to provide better drivers for the Vega card, as is results on cpumonkey are disappointing, under 16% compared to others.  Though cinbench paints a diff picture.

- Make sure you enable virtualization mode in the BIOS of you plan on using VMWare.

-VMware Workstation 12.5 behaves as expected at 80% of the performance though it does not leverage the GPU.

So, just be aware, it's a nice laptop that is faster than most 7700hq and i7 8550u processors.  Though it falls behind with respect to the i5 8250u with an intel UHD 620.

If AMD can address the blue performance of Vega, through a driver.  Intel should begin to worry.

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that was purchased yesterday.  I'm a bit disappointed with the graphics performance.

Quote from: klez_07 on November 25, 2017, 09:07:18
The Intel competitors under power consumption all have 4k screens, which may account for the higher power consumption. But this is still an awesome showing for AMD. I'm impressed!

But then again HP probably uses inferior components and the amd model has an HDD and not SSD.

The Intel competitors under power consumption all have 4k screens, which may account for the higher power consumption. But this is still an awesome showing for AMD. I'm impressed!