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Posted by Mr Majestyk

- February 17, 2023, 02:17:30

Well AMD did tell you they were rebranding APU's and you already knew this was coming. I think it's ppor form from AMD, but you were warned so why the surprise?

If you don't do your homework don't grumble when your caught out buying the wrong laptop. Only a fool wouldn't buy a Phoenix 7x40 IMO.

Posted by Anonymousgg

- February 16, 2023, 19:37:09

Quote from: Erik on February 16, 2023, 10:10:49Ryzen 7000 also features Rembrandt refreshes, but at least those aren't nearly as bad as Mendocino and Barcelo-R. The hard truth is that AMD's newest architectures don't seem to be very scalable and AMD needs to keep recycling their old architectures for the low and mid range segment.

8-core dies don't scale well for dual-core or even quad-core products, because the yields are too high.

Meanwhile, making products on the older 7/6nm nodes increases the amount of laptops that can be supplied.

Mendocino and Barcelo-R are perfectly fine... at the right price. A dual- or quad-core Mendocino laptop around $100 would be a lot better than those A6-9220C laptops that have been around that price point in recent years. Mendocino at $400-700 is a joke.

Posted by neblogai

- February 16, 2023, 12:42:07

Quote from: Erik on February 16, 2023, 10:10:49The hard truth is that AMD's newest architectures don't seem to be very scalable and AMD needs to keep recycling their old architectures for the low and mid range segment.

It is not about scaling- you can not use old architectures together with new ones in a same new laptop, as old gens require a different APU socket, and a board made for different RAM. AMD is trying to bridge that gap only now, with making Phoenix also available on FP7-FP7R2 (the sockets that Rembrandt laptop motherboards have), not just the new FP8. So we already see latops like the new TUF A16, that can use both Rembrandt and Phoenix APU. I guess for next gens, AMD will try to bridge as well, say with Strix Point being on FP8 AND FP9.
As for scaling- there are good leaks (Lenovo promotional slides) showing a 'Phoenix2' APU. The naming is similar to smaller 'Raven Ridge' named 'Raven2' (Dali), so that is likely a scaled down Phoenix APU. I would expect it to go into the same FP7-FP7R2-FP8 laptop boards, and be maybe 4cores+ 6 or less CUs, to slot in below the already revealed Phoenix Ryzen 5-9 variants.

Posted by Erik

- February 16, 2023, 10:10:49

"because the presence of a Ryzen 7000 processor doesn't mean it is necessarily a better choice than an older Ryzen 6000 SKU."

You meant Ryzen 5000, I guess. Ryzen 7000 also features Rembrandt refreshes, but at least those aren't nearly as bad as Mendocino and Barcelo-R. The hard truth is that AMD's newest architectures don't seem to be very scalable and AMD needs to keep recycling their old architectures for the low and mid range segment.

Posted by heffeque

- February 15, 2023, 23:13:46

The fact that the 3 is for Zen 3 is already known.
Nomenclature has been clear for quite a while now, so no surprise or disappointment whatsoever.

7030U will be Zen 3 with Vega and DDR4
7035U will be Zen 3+ with RDNA 2 and DDR5
7040U will be Zen 4 with RDNA 3 and DDR5 and AI chip

Anyway... click-bait title.

Posted by Redaktion

- February 15, 2023, 22:16:07

The AMD Ryzen 7 7730U has turned up on the PassMark benchmark site where it has revealed itself to be basically a Ryzen 7 5825U with a fresh coat of paint. The Ryzen 7 7730U was released in January 2023 but is based on Zen 3 architecture and comes with a Vega 8 graphics part. The Barcelo-R APU has been made for use in thin and light laptops.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ryzen-7-7730U-shows-up-on-PassMark-as-a-disappointing-Ryzen-7-5825U-doppelganger.694683.0.html