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Posted by S.Yu
 - February 25, 2020, 22:18:08
Quote from: TJax on February 25, 2020, 17:22:38
Quote from: Jeff Murray on January 16, 2020, 02:57:37
After 2 faulty G5 mobos and excessive wait times without a phone, I am done with LG.  Just like I am done with HTC after the Thunderbolt android update fiasco.  Consumers have long memories and vote with their wallets.  At least I do.....

You are done with LG after having issues with a tier 2 phone?
It wasnt even their flagship phone.

I've never had an issue with LG in their V series phones. After my note 8 bites the dust Im headed back to LG as long as they have the headphone jack intact.

The fact that they have onboard DAC's lets me know they plan on keeping the headphone jacks as LG cares about sound quality
That's hard to say, you know, they could still attempt to output analog through a C port  ;)
Meanwhile Sony fulfilled all my wishes in this thread, I should vote with my wallet. LG's issues IMO are mainly the design (notch, and bland otherwise) and QC.
Posted by TJax
 - February 25, 2020, 17:22:38
Quote from: Jeff Murray on January 16, 2020, 02:57:37
After 2 faulty G5 mobos and excessive wait times without a phone, I am done with LG.  Just like I am done with HTC after the Thunderbolt android update fiasco.  Consumers have long memories and vote with their wallets.  At least I do.....

You are done with LG after having issues with a tier 2 phone?
It wasnt even their flagship phone.

I've never had an issue with LG in their V series phones. After my note 8 bites the dust Im headed back to LG as long as they have the headphone jack intact.

The fact that they have onboard DAC's lets me know they plan on keeping the headphone jacks as LG cares about sound quality
Posted by Joe
 - January 21, 2020, 17:36:14
The only reason I switched from Apple to Samsung (S9) was because the Samsung still had the headphone jack.  I do not and will not use wireless, so what's the point of buying Samsung anymore?  If people want wireless headphones can use whatever brand they want, if they wanted Samsung's wireless headphone products they would have bought them anyway with or with out the headphone jack.  All they will do is run off those who want the headphone jack, just like Apple did with me.
Posted by S.Yu
 - January 18, 2020, 00:01:22
Quote from: drspychology on January 16, 2020, 05:20:47
I wonder how long it will take before these phone companies start noticing that the loss of sales from no headphone jack starts to outweigh their wireless earbud business. Every phone and headphone manufacturer has created some sort of wireless earbuds or headphones to the point that I doubt that many people buy wireless headphones from the same manufacturer as their smartphone. It worked with Apple, because there was only 1 solution to the problem that they created. But now, the market is completely saturated with headphones from everyone, it feels like a better decision to return the headphone jack to increase sales.

I've stopped buying high end phones due to the whole headphone jack fiasco. I use my phone for social media and music, and I don't want to stop listening to music halfway through the day because the battery didn't last. The audio quality and latency is awful in comparison to traditional headphones and I'm not getting a second pair of headphones just for my phone, I want to use them on my PC as well!
You know what, despite the new players I don't think the market is near saturation. They created a problem with a decidedly flawed solution in which those exact flaws generate sustained demand.
Think TWS, how many times more likely is it to lose one than to lose a pair of regular wired earphones?
And batteries charging batteries, none of the three batteries in a pair of TWS is replaceable and when it doesn't hold enough charge that's when you're forced to repurchase. Some large wireless headphones allow a wired connection, but at the integration level of TWS there's absolutely no way around the battery issue, and I doubt if many people are going back from earphones to headphones just because it's inconvenient to use the 3.5mm.
I would certainly appreciate it if somebody chooses to release a model based on removable batteries--and it's far from impossible, most hearing aids are essentially TWS with replaceable batteries, though those batteries are single-use--but I don't think any company would be decent enough to do their customers a favor like that, maybe a few years later on kickstarter?
Also with wireless comes a huge price bump, the cheapest wired option is less than $1, I know a guy who goes through a pair of these every few weeks, and most people have access to <$5 options, but the cheapest BT is...as far as I can tell $10, and the options that most people have access to are >$30, so even if they only sell a fraction of previous wired(and that's a far more saturated market) as wireless, they still profit.
Sound quality remains entirely unsolved, but I don't think they're worrying themselves over lack of quality though, they're willing to throw away the market that sometimes need to pair decent earphones with smartphones because feeding the masses more planned obsolescence is that much more lucrative.
Posted by S.Yu
 - January 17, 2020, 23:36:01
Quote from: Jeff Murray on January 16, 2020, 02:57:37
After 2 faulty G5 mobos and excessive wait times without a phone, I am done with LG.  Just like I am done with HTC after the Thunderbolt android update fiasco.  Consumers have long memories and vote with their wallets.  At least I do.....
Good for you, because most really are oblivious.
Posted by vrvly
 - January 16, 2020, 10:10:16
There is just no alternative and using dongle is just sooooo annoying. Downgrade.
Posted by Martin82
 - January 16, 2020, 05:37:20
The problem is, their sales are not suffering. Note10 has been more successful than Note9.

So i blame users for this madness. If they were willing to boycott anti-user moves like non-removable batteries and removal of 3.5mm jacks, companies wouldn't dare doing it. Instead, they are getting rewarded for screwing their customers.

With that in mind, it's a small miracle there are still decent phones that don't cost a fortune.
Posted by drspychology
 - January 16, 2020, 05:20:47
I wonder how long it will take before these phone companies start noticing that the loss of sales from no headphone jack starts to outweigh their wireless earbud business. Every phone and headphone manufacturer has created some sort of wireless earbuds or headphones to the point that I doubt that many people buy wireless headphones from the same manufacturer as their smartphone. It worked with Apple, because there was only 1 solution to the problem that they created. But now, the market is completely saturated with headphones from everyone, it feels like a better decision to return the headphone jack to increase sales.

I've stopped buying high end phones due to the whole headphone jack fiasco. I use my phone for social media and music, and I don't want to stop listening to music halfway through the day because the battery didn't last. The audio quality and latency is awful in comparison to traditional headphones and I'm not getting a second pair of headphones just for my phone, I want to use them on my PC as well!
Posted by Jeff Murray
 - January 16, 2020, 02:57:37
After 2 faulty G5 mobos and excessive wait times without a phone, I am done with LG.  Just like I am done with HTC after the Thunderbolt android update fiasco.  Consumers have long memories and vote with their wallets.  At least I do.....
Posted by S.Yu
 - January 15, 2020, 21:48:41
Quote from: Ricci Rox on January 15, 2020, 21:35:54
Quote from: S.Yu on January 15, 2020, 21:32:38
ROGP2 as a smartphone is still more than decent but the camera setup seems even less likeable after I recently realized that the 48MP isn't really 1/2"(only Sony makes that claim but the pixel pitch, resolution and diagonal really don't add up) but much closer to the old 12MPs, that's my main reason for holding out for another potential option.
If Sony could at least use that new enlarged 12MP, paired with a 2x or 3x (don't care about a UWA), and 3500mAh battery at the minimum, going easy on them since they have a bad record regarding battery size, then I could truly consider reverting to Sony after going with Samsung for two upgrades.
Of course both LG and Sony could mess up, there's definitely the potential, in which case I'd rather get a like-new ROGP2 at a good price then.

Good choice. The ROG Phone 2 is a bit too big for my tastes; looks like I'll be ditching the jack again. The S20 just looks so good right now.

Only other option is LG, but I doubt they'll move away from those 1/2.55" sensors this generation.
Yeah...what's keeping them.
Quote from: Razer sharp blade V8 on January 15, 2020, 21:41:18
Vivos have jacks. Because you can't screw the buyer here
Vivo screwed the buyer by limiting their top tier flagship to 256GB storage, no expandability. If they release a 512GB variant(4G, because that useless modem shrunk the battery and will cost me), they're back on my list, in fact at the top of my list.
Posted by Ricci Rox
 - January 15, 2020, 21:47:59
Quote from: Razer sharp blade V8 on January 15, 2020, 21:41:18
Erm, Vivo? "Budget" brands like Realme? Some Oppos and Meizus? Sharp if you're in Japan?
Otherwise yup, LG and Asus to the rescue.

Sth tells me BBK is doing some good ol segmentation (4D marketing chess). Oneplus doesn't have a jack (neither an adapter) but screw them, our wireless range is da best and the product is da "flagship killer". TOTL Oppos don't have a jack but screw them, look at these sliding cameras.
Vivos have jacks. Because you can't screw the buyer here - Vivos are crazy expensive even in China. Realmes have jacks. Same thing - Realme buyers are VERY awake (real performance on a budget after all, not the Apple-cosplaying current Oneplus) and know their schmit.

I know that Realme is a "separate" entity. Pfft, yeah sure.
And sorry for repeating myself Ricci :DD Recalling you had a similar article, but I never understood what's wrong with options other than LG & Asus.

Well, to be fair, mate, most of those aren't sold in North America at all.

But yeah, those are good options for Europe and Asia. Though personally, I'd say Vivo is half a step behind LG when it comes to providing a premium smartphone experience.
Posted by Razer sharp blade V8
 - January 15, 2020, 21:41:18
Erm, Vivo? "Budget" brands like Realme? Some Oppos and Meizus? Sharp if you're in Japan?
Otherwise yup, LG and Asus to the rescue.

Sth tells me BBK is doing some good ol segmentation (4D marketing chess). Oneplus doesn't have a jack (neither an adapter) but screw them, our wireless range is da best and the product is da "flagship killer". TOTL Oppos don't have a jack but screw them, look at these sliding cameras.
Vivos have jacks. Because you can't screw the buyer here - Vivos are crazy expensive even in China. Realmes have jacks. Same thing - Realme buyers are VERY awake (real performance on a budget after all, not the Apple-cosplaying current Oneplus) and know their schmit.

I know that Realme is a "separate" entity. Pfft, yeah sure.
And sorry for repeating myself Ricci :DD Recalling you had a similar article, but I never understood what's wrong with options other than LG & Asus.
Posted by Ricci Rox
 - January 15, 2020, 21:35:54
Quote from: S.Yu on January 15, 2020, 21:32:38
ROGP2 as a smartphone is still more than decent but the camera setup seems even less likeable after I recently realized that the 48MP isn't really 1/2"(only Sony makes that claim but the pixel pitch, resolution and diagonal really don't add up) but much closer to the old 12MPs, that's my main reason for holding out for another potential option.
If Sony could at least use that new enlarged 12MP, paired with a 2x or 3x (don't care about a UWA), and 3500mAh battery at the minimum, going easy on them since they have a bad record regarding battery size, then I could truly consider reverting to Sony after going with Samsung for two upgrades.
Of course both LG and Sony could mess up, there's definitely the potential, in which case I'd rather get a like-new ROGP2 at a good price then.

Good choice. The ROG Phone 2 is a bit too big for my tastes; looks like I'll be ditching the jack again. The S20 just looks so good right now.

Only other option is LG, but I doubt they'll move away from those 1/2.55" sensors this generation.
Posted by S.Yu
 - January 15, 2020, 21:32:38
ROGP2 as a smartphone is still more than decent but the camera setup seems even less likeable after I recently realized that the 48MP isn't really 1/2"(only Sony makes that claim but the pixel pitch, resolution and diagonal really don't add up) but much closer to the old 12MPs, that's my main reason for holding out for another potential option.
If Sony could at least use that new enlarged 12MP, paired with a 2x or 3x (don't care about a UWA), and 3500mAh battery at the minimum, going easy on them since they have a bad record regarding battery size, then I could truly consider reverting to Sony after going with Samsung for two upgrades.
Of course both LG and Sony could mess up, there's definitely the potential, in which case I'd rather get a like-new ROGP2 at a good price then.
Posted by Redaktion
 - January 15, 2020, 19:52:02
Samsung removed the 3.5mm headphone jack on the Galaxy Note 10 phones last year and that decision has carried over to the company's upcoming flagships. Yes, the Samsung Galaxy S20 phones will not feature headphone jacks, but what does that mean for audio purists?

https://www.notebookcheck.net/No-3-5mm-headphone-jack-for-the-Samsung-Galaxy-S20-phones.450309.0.html