Quote from: Gregg on Yesterday at 20:42:18I see people posting here saying things like "you can't include charging costs from fast chargers when towing because charging at home is so much cheaper", or that EV's require very little more energy to build than an ICE car, or claims that an ICE car will also use 60% more energy to haul a trailer just like an EV, etc...
My 5 year old truck goes from roughly 23 mpg down to 19 mpg with 2 horses in their trailer, which is nowhere near 60% more energy, and If you are traveling anywhere beyond 50 miles from home you cannot just charge at home, requiring you to pay those high fees at charging stations, because you simply cannot bring any extra power from your home charger with you, and how many people take a trailer on holiday that dont travel beyond 50 miles from home?
The mistake you are making is you aren't comparing a 1 to 1 comparison. Any test has to be done with same route, with same driving habits and towing same thing
Also, you would still get some of your energy while towing from home, even if it isn't all of it. And Charging stations generally cost less than gas too
QuoteMy guess is very few, making that argument for EV's simply moronic. As for the claim that ICE cars require very nearly the same amount of energy to make as an EV is also incorrect. Aside from the diesel powered equipment used in mining, EV's require much more strip mining for the materials to make their batteries, which causes a lot more environmental damage from those mines(tho as long as they are in places like africa so they arent so visible to the public, and pay only pennies for the child labor used in the mining process, the EV lovers can just ignore these costs, so they won't count them(that mining also creates tonnes and tonnes more toxic waste to be dealt with during that mining and refining processes, and leaves tonnes and tonnes of extremely toxic materials in the form of those batteries that will have to be dealt with at the end of the cars useful life cycle.
I think you are confused about something. EVs aren't ICE cars with a large battery. Motors are smaller than engines, you don't need a complex transmission, nor all those pipes and all those stuff preventing an engine from impaling you in a crash. EVs actually allow for smaller exteriors than ICE cars while having bigger interiors due to simplicity of a skateboard platform
And as EVs move away from their ICE car legacies, they become more efficient and of course supply chains also improve
The so called cobalt that is mined in Africa with child labor that you speak of has been mined for decades to refine oil. That never seemed to have never bugged you at all, why now?
On top of that, with the IRA most battery material production is moving locally. Meanwhile cobalt for oil refining will continue to use child labor in Africa. And at that point you'll stop caring like you never did
Lastly, battery materials are recycled. Unlike the oil you burn
QuoteWhat about the particulate pollution from EV's wearing out tires at a rate 2 to 3 times of an ICE car, tires that also cost a lot more, or the extra wear on roads themselves due to EV's being a couple thousand pounds heavier, which also extends stopping distances, and makes an EV more difficult to be able to be controlled in emergency situations, especially in colder climates where winter driving involves snow and ice...
As long as you don't accelerate like crazy and use chill mode, the tires will last as much as an ICE car. And you have far less pollution from use of breaks and tires due to regenerative braking.
Many EVs already weigh similar to their ICE counterparts. And as EVs move more and more away from ICE platforms to optimized EV platforms, their weight will go down even more
As for cold areas, since EVs do not leak water like ICE cars, it would significantly reduce black ICE on the roads. And digital awd does much better at handling snow and ice. Regenerative braking also acts as backup when you can't get grip of the road
QuoteOh yeah, I really laugh at those that show their excitement while announcing that their EV can preheat the cab of their car before being driven in winter, as they ignore the fact they lose 30% or so of range to heat the cabin, and apparently have never heard of remote starters that have been preheating the cab of vehicles for a couple decades, in vehicles that do not lose any range at all to keep its occupants warm, nor do they lose 30-50% of range just due to the cold winter temperatures like an EV does due to its batteries.
Talk about ignorance. You preheat the cabin precisely because you don't want to lose range. Maintaining temperature in a cabin uses little energy. Most of your losses are changing temperature and loss of regenerative braking on cold start. By preheating the interior, your losses after that is similar to an ICE car
As for your remote starter, try that in a garage and see what happens. On top of that an EV can warm the interior much faster as you don't have to wait for the engine to warm up to circulate the heat
Quote...but then again, they don't seem to mind paying 50% more for essentially the exact same car but with only half the range, and requiring hours to charge rather than minutes, so what do I know...
Like all new technology, cost will always be high until it is mass produced at scale. At same production level as ICE cars, they will be cheaper.
As for charging, most people spend 0 minutes of their time charging, they just wake up every morning with full range. You don't need to stand in a blizzard or heatwave to fill up cause you are low, you just go straight home and wake up with full charged
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