Adobe responds to terms of use fiascso, insists no unauthorised AI training — user scepticism ensues

[Redaktion]

Adobe recently stirred up controversy with an update to its terms of use, seemingly demanding unfettered access to user-generated content. The concerns were amplified by fears of Adobe using user content to train its Firefly generative AI. Adobe has now responded, but users remain sceptical, with some already jumping ship.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Adobe-responds-to-terms-of-use-fiascso-insists-no-unauthorised-AI-training-user-scepticism-ensues.845328.0.html

[RobertJasiek]

Sure, Adobe's changes of its terms were bad.

However, they were comparatively harmless to what Apple's iCloud terms are, whose harm I have pointed out for years. The outcry about Adobe's attempt seems to be much greater; is this because the keyword "AI" triggers people more easily? People must realise that AI is unnecessary to threaten privacy and integrity of data.

[Neenyah]

is this because the keyword "AI" triggers people more easily?

It's because there is more Adobe users in the world than iCloud users, and because iCloud is not a tool to do business while Adobe products are.

With Adobe's approach it is that instead of getting paid for hard work people get to pay Adobe so they can train their "AI" and sell it later through their "AI" model as they are already doing with Adobe Firefly for example. It is basically like paying someone to eat your lunch (which you also paid to get).

And also because if you don't agree to their terms you literally cannot access your work, projects nor the whole Adobe software (while if you don't agree to iCloud terms you can still use apps on your iPhone just fine).

[RobertJasiek]

[...] iCloud is not a tool to do business while Adobe products are.[...]

You provide a plausible explanation of people's thinking but iCloud might have and abuse (hopefully only) copies of their business files. The difference is one of perception: at Adobe one might have to pay a significant amount for the also online software / service; for iCloud no specific payment tends to be the norm or is insignificant to a possible business value of stored copies of any business-related files. (And many iCloud users do not use it for such while quite a few of those that nevertheless do would be die-hard Apple fans deeply integrated into the Apple ecosystem so less likely to have doubts.)

[LL]

The point is that artists for each government or corporate work have NDA's to sign with heavy clauses, from commercials to movies, to security/defence, etc etc.
This touches everyone.

Freeware alternatives look increasingly more attractive and they are getting better:
Blender for 3D/compositing, Inkscape instead of Illustrator for vector, GIMP and Krita for image instead Photoshop.

DaVinci Resolve it is free video editing and compositing up to certain resolution and a one time license is less then 400 euro for the full programme.

[sya]

It is basically like paying someone to eat your lunch

this quote explain it very well. what they are trying to do.

[A]

is this because the keyword "AI" triggers people more easily?

It's because there is more Adobe users in the world than iCloud users, and because iCloud is not a tool to do business while Adobe products are.

With Adobe's approach it is that instead of getting paid for hard work people get to pay Adobe so they can train their "AI" and sell it later through their "AI" model as they are already doing with Adobe Firefly for example. It is basically like paying someone to eat your lunch (which you also paid to get).

And also because if you don't agree to their terms you literally cannot access your work, projects nor the whole Adobe software (while if you don't agree to iCloud terms you can still use apps on your iPhone just fine).

I'd say there are more icloud users than adobe users. Maybe back in the day when you needed adobe acrobat or adobe flash there would have been more adobe users, but these days? Hardly any adobe product is used by consumers, most are for corporate/work use in the image/video field.

Adobe based on what was published has 33 million CC users. meanwhile Apple said they have over 800 million subscribers

The real answer is Apple users are more used to being sheep than Adobe users who have a long history being pissed at adobe.

[Neenyah]

I'd say there are more icloud users than adobe users.

My bad, I meant iCloud for business (within Apple's Business Essentials) because you are correct that there is definitely more regular iCloud users than Adobe CC subscribers/users.