NVIDIA RTX Titan Ada: Four-slot and full AD102 graphics card shelved after melting PSUs

[Redaktion]

Reportedly, NVIDIA was developing an even more powerful version of the GeForce RTX 4090. Billed as the Titan Ada or the RTX 4090 Ti, the graphics card is thought to be a whopping four slots thick and requires twin 16-pin power connectors. Supposedly, NVIDIA has ceased development though, with multiple reasons spelling the end of the Titan Ada for now.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-RTX-Titan-Ada-Four-slot-and-full-AD102-graphics-card-shelved-after-melting-PSUs.660577.0.html

[Bavor]

This sounds as if its completely made up or its a misleading story not telling the actual facts. 

I've run a pair of RTX 3090 Kingpin cards with the 1000 watt BIOS on a 15A 120V circuit.  Each card was drawing 700 watts or more continuously for extended time periods.  That's 1400+ watts power draw on the GPUs alone, plus the power draw of the CPU/motherboard and the monitor on the came circuit.  Yet, I didn't have any issues with tripping breakers, melting wires, damaging the cards, etc....  A 120v 15A circuit can handle 1800 watts of constant power draw. 

The only time I had to have the cards on a separate circuit from the CPU/motherboard and the rest of the system was when I was using an overclocked Threadripper that was drawing over 500 watts itself. 

It sounds like the people using the test cards were using the 16 pin to 8 pin adapters with daisy chained pigtail wires where two PCIE 8 pin connectors were pigtailed on the same wire if they melted wires.  Also, it appears that there was a design issue with the engineering/development version of the board if they had issues with melted cards.

[RobertJasiek]

How have you cooled the two RTX 3090 Kingpin cards and how far from each other have they been?

[HulkMode666]

This sounds as if its completely made up or its a misleading story not telling the actual facts. 

I've run a pair of RTX 3090 Kingpin cards with the 1000 watt BIOS on a 15A 120V circuit.  Each card was drawing 700 watts or more continuously for extended time periods.  That's 1400+ watts power draw on the GPUs alone, plus the power draw of the CPU/motherboard and the monitor on the came circuit.  Yet, I didn't have any issues with tripping breakers, melting wires, damaging the cards, etc....  A 120v 15A circuit can handle 1800 watts of constant power draw. 

The only time I had to have the cards on a separate circuit from the CPU/motherboard and the rest of the system was when I was using an overclocked Threadripper that was drawing over 500 watts itself. 

It sounds like the people using the test cards were using the 16 pin to 8 pin adapters with daisy chained pigtail wires where two PCIE 8 pin connectors were pigtailed on the same wire if they melted wires.  Also, it appears that there was a design issue with the engineering/development version of the board if they had issues with melted cards.

You seem to blatantly forget the fact that little things like architectures, and process nodes and programing are all but comparable.

Testing on the 4080 and 4090 HAVE melted and shorted out PSUs and their cables, so yeah. A more power hungry card using entirely different architecture and process node, that seems like it is being pushed to the moon, probably is indeed tripping breakers and such in the labs.

[Potato]

This sounds as if its completely made up or its a misleading story not telling the actual facts. 

I've run a pair of RTX 3090 Kingpin cards with the 1000 watt BIOS on a 15A 120V circuit.

The 3090 Kingpin PCB is specifically designed to handle a lot of Wattage and breaking records with liquid nitrogen, it's not going to melt from 700 or 800 watts. Just because you aren't running anything else on the circuit or have melted cables doesn't mean these testers aren't testing to see how easy it is to cause issues like these under normal usage conditions, i.e. with air conditioner, TV, monitor, or another computer on, with barely acceptable PSU and cable configurations like some customers will definitely try.

[Haryana]

This sounds as if its completely made up or its a misleading story not telling the actual facts. 

I've run a pair of RTX 3090 Kingpin cards with the 1000 watt BIOS on a 15A 120V circuit.  Each card was drawing 700 watts or more continuously for extended time periods.  That's 1400+ watts power draw on the GPUs alone, plus the power draw of the CPU/motherboard and the monitor on the came circuit.  Yet, I didn't have any issues with tripping breakers, melting wires, damaging the cards, etc....  A 120v 15A circuit can handle 1800 watts of constant power draw. 

The only time I had to have the cards on a separate circuit from the CPU/motherboard and the rest of the system was when I was using an overclocked Threadripper that was drawing over 500 watts itself. 

It sounds like the people using the test cards were using the 16 pin to 8 pin adapters with daisy chained pigtail wires where two PCIE 8 pin connectors were pigtailed on the same wire if they melted wires.  Also, it appears that there was a design issue with the engineering/development version of the board if they had issues with melted cards.

You seem to blatantly forget the fact that little things like architectures, and process nodes and programing are all but comparable.

Testing on the 4080 and 4090 HAVE melted and shorted out PSUs and their cables, so yeah. A more power hungry card using entirely different architecture and process node, that seems like it is being pushed to the moon, probably is indeed tripping breakers and such in the labs.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[Bavor]

This is BS. You can't run a pair of RTX 3090 on a 15a 120V.

That's like powering a car with midgets pedaling underneath. Moron.

I see you failed basic math. 

Let me do the basic math for you: 15 amps x 120 volts = 1,800 watts

[Bavor]

You seem to blatantly forget the fact that little things like architectures, and process nodes and programing are all but comparable.

Testing on the 4080 and 4090 HAVE melted and shorted out PSUs and their cables, so yeah. A more power hungry card using entirely different architecture and process node, that seems like it is being pushed to the moon, probably is indeed tripping breakers and such in the labs.

You seem completely clueless when it comes to computer hardware.  Also you make up some stories and call it facts.  Please cite, from a reputable source, where the 4080s and 4090s have melted wires under testing.  You can't because the review embargo hasn't been lifted yet.

A single card pulling 600 watts isn't being pushed to the moon.  Its been possible to do that with off the shelf mass produced gaming cards with ambient cooling methods for at least a couple generations now.

A card pulling 600 watts isn't going to trip a breaker unless there is a basic design flaw with the card's power delivery system or the power supply.

You probably need to stay away form the inside of a computer and never give anyone advice on electronics ever again.

[Bavor]

The 3090 Kingpin PCB is specifically designed to handle a lot of Wattage and breaking records with liquid nitrogen, it's not going to melt from 700 or 800 watts.

Your failure of logic is astounding.  A card designed to be run at -170C is more resistant to melting under high GPU load?  Its not as if the Kingpin 3090 PCB is made of some different material than the rest of the PCBs to make it more heat resistant.

I've run lower end 3090s and some lower end 3080 series cards at 550-700 watts without issue before I had the kingpin 3090s.  No graphics card should melt even with a 600 watt power draw if the manufacturer designed a proper cooler.  Are you saying that Nvidia is not capable of designing proper cooling for a graphics card?

Just because you aren't running anything else on the circuit or have melted cables doesn't mean these testers aren't testing to see how easy it is to cause issues like these under normal usage conditions, i.e. with air conditioner, TV, monitor, or another computer on, with barely acceptable PSU and cable configurations like some customers will definitely try.

If you are using a cheap no name brand power supply, you can't afford a RTX Titan card in the first place.  If you are using one of the cheap no name brand PSUs you shouldn't be using any high end graphics card.  If a customer is that stupid that they would buy the cheapest power supply for a graphics card that likely will cost over $2000 they deserve the consequences.

You sound like you haven't visited the testing lab of any of the major PC component manufacturers if you think they test what other appliances do on the same circuit as a PC.

Some of the reputable and reliable leakers have already said that the story of the RTX Titan Ada tripping breakers, melting circuit boards, and melting wires is a bunch of made up BS and its obvious that some idiot created the story and leaked it to see who would believe it.  There are so many holes in the original story that it makes no sense at all.

[Bavor]

How have you cooled the two RTX 3090 Kingpin cards and how far from each other have they been?

The stock coolers are a 360mm AIO.  I've also used the two different water blocks that are available for the cards, EVGA and Optimus.  I usually have them in the same motherboard at 3 slot spacing and use the Nvidia 3 slot NVLink adapter.  I also have a 4 slit NVLink bridge when its necessary.

I also have the KP Cooling LN2 pots for dry ice and LN2 use.  However they aren't needed to keep the cards cool at 600-700 watts.

[Haryana]

This is BS. You can't run a pair of RTX 3090 on a 15a 120V.

That's like powering a car with midgets pedaling underneath. Moron.

I see you failed basic math. 

Let me do the basic math for you: 15 amps x 120 volts = 1,800 watts

"From the factory, the GeForce RTX 3090 Ti comes with the highest power consumption we've ever recorded from an Nvidia GPU, with a reference specification of around 450W. And that number increases up to 550W for select AIB partner cards (yes that is an additional 100W over reference)."

Basic math: 450w x 2 = 900w. That leaves 900w. Are you running a small microwave to heat up breast milk ever so delicately? Definitely not a gaming rig.

What a PATHETIC joke.

[Fudgecakes]

Couple of you need to get a room.

[PC Gamer]

What you meant was dual 12-pin power connectors, each with the capability to use up to four conventional 8-pin PCI-E power cables.  So, yeah, even the use of a 2KW power supply may not meet the amperage requirements.  Wow and yikes at the same time!!

[Kalebg]

This is BS. You can't run a pair of RTX 3090 on a 15a 120V.

That's like powering a car with midgets pedaling underneath. Moron.

I see you failed basic math. 

Let me do the basic math for you: 15 amps x 120 volts = 1,800 watts

How have you cooled the two RTX 3090 Kingpin cards and how far from each other have they been?

The stock coolers are a 360mm AIO.  I've also used the two different water blocks that are available for the cards, EVGA and Optimus.  I usually have them in the same motherboard at 3 slot spacing and use the Nvidia 3 slot NVLink adapter.  I also have a 4 slit NVLink bridge when its necessary.

I also have the KP Cooling LN2 pots for dry ice and LN2 use.  However they aren't needed to keep the cards cool at 600-700 watts.

3 times... this is written like my 4 year old niece.



Avoid places with people and direct sunlight.

Thanks

I mean to start 15amp outlet voltage can be 120v to 110v. Low end you have 110v @15a you get 1650 watts, high end 120V 15A you get 1800 watts. Continuous load in not to exceed 80% giving you 1320-1440 watts.

Lets split the diff and say 1400 watts available. With a 80+ gold PSU at full load and 87% efficiency (not plugging in a PSU that WAY over specs the receptacle) you get a whopping 1200 watts output to your pc.
1200 watts -550 watt gpu -550 watt gpu - 150 watt mobo/cpu/ram and your already 50 watts over your receptacles rated power.
No monitor. No fan. No heater.
Absolutle best case scenario you have GREAT utility voltage and are running at 100% of the receptacles rating. Thats not even touching on transient voltage spikes or overclocking.

[DoubleLlamaDrama]

I'm pretty sure it's melting power supplies, not the wires in your house. Which is the problem.